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		<title>By: Lee Torrens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Torrens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your analysis Paul.  I think the idea with putting niche photos on Alamy is that if they&#039;re niche enough, the buyers will find them and buy them regardless of where they are. In this case they&#039;re equally likely to sell on Alamy as they are in microstock, making the higher payout a smarter option. But yes, for photos that aren&#039;t &quot;niche&quot; but otherwise low demand, I agree with your point. 

I agree with your other points too, though I would add that agencies incur costs to review/inspect and host images, many of which never sell.  This offsets the royalties they keep from the contributors who never reach payout. While I think it would be cool if they did an annual payout for people who didn&#039;t reach the threshold, the contributors enter the agreements fully informed about the situation and aware of the risks (at least that&#039;s what they agree to having read when they register).  

-Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your analysis Paul.  I think the idea with putting niche photos on Alamy is that if they&#8217;re niche enough, the buyers will find them and buy them regardless of where they are. In this case they&#8217;re equally likely to sell on Alamy as they are in microstock, making the higher payout a smarter option. But yes, for photos that aren&#8217;t &#8220;niche&#8221; but otherwise low demand, I agree with your point. </p>
<p>I agree with your other points too, though I would add that agencies incur costs to review/inspect and host images, many of which never sell.  This offsets the royalties they keep from the contributors who never reach payout. While I think it would be cool if they did an annual payout for people who didn&#8217;t reach the threshold, the contributors enter the agreements fully informed about the situation and aware of the risks (at least that&#8217;s what they agree to having read when they register).  </p>
<p>-Lee</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Cowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point with Alamy is that its tail is so enormous that 99% of images will never sell at all. The higher payout per sale means that when something eventually does sell it brings in on average something like 50 to 200 times what you would get from a normal micro sale. My Alamy portfolio has about the same earnings per file potential as my Fotolia one, which makes it equal fourth in my personal sales table.
I think the idea that you are better off putting niche photos on Alamy is false because the chance of ever selling a particular photo at all is much, much lower than on a micro. I sold about 20,000 stock photos overall last year, but only about two a month on Alamy, making the chance of a photo selling on a micro about 1,000 time greater than it is on Alamy. Of course, if your niche photo does sell on Alamy you will get a cheque of tens or even hundreds of dollars for it, making that day seem worthwhile; however, it will probably never sell again, and it is being propped up by 100 other niche photos that will also never sell, so you have to divide the payout between all of them to get a true picture.

Three years ago (in the days when DT published all the data) I did an analysis of how many members had sold how many photos. The site had almost exactly 10,000 members of whom 14 had sold more than 10,000 photos; 100 (that&#039;s 1%) had sold more than 2,500; 1,100 (10%) had sold more than 200 and achieved payout level and 8,885 had sold fewer than needed for a pauout. So 90% had got nothing, only 1% had made more than $1,250 and fewer than 0.2% had made more than $5,000.

When I described this pattern on an iStock forum where earnings prospects were being discussed (saying it was from somewhere else - no name given - but iS probably had a similar distribution) my post was deleted with such alacrity that I could only presume that the shape of iStock&#039;s graph was not just similar, but identical. In fact, the sample is so large that it is almost inevitable that it applies across the entire industry.

The long tail is, of course, extremely valuable to companies, because it represents earnings that they don&#039;t have to pay any commission on for a very, very long time - and in many cases the commission may never be claimed at all. Who is getting the commission from all those submitters who have died without passing on their account details to their heirs? Their portfolios effectively become the private property of the sites that have them (apart from Shutterstock and one or two other honorable exceptions, that send off cheques at payout level without you having to put in a request).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point with Alamy is that its tail is so enormous that 99% of images will never sell at all. The higher payout per sale means that when something eventually does sell it brings in on average something like 50 to 200 times what you would get from a normal micro sale. My Alamy portfolio has about the same earnings per file potential as my Fotolia one, which makes it equal fourth in my personal sales table.<br />
I think the idea that you are better off putting niche photos on Alamy is false because the chance of ever selling a particular photo at all is much, much lower than on a micro. I sold about 20,000 stock photos overall last year, but only about two a month on Alamy, making the chance of a photo selling on a micro about 1,000 time greater than it is on Alamy. Of course, if your niche photo does sell on Alamy you will get a cheque of tens or even hundreds of dollars for it, making that day seem worthwhile; however, it will probably never sell again, and it is being propped up by 100 other niche photos that will also never sell, so you have to divide the payout between all of them to get a true picture.</p>
<p>Three years ago (in the days when DT published all the data) I did an analysis of how many members had sold how many photos. The site had almost exactly 10,000 members of whom 14 had sold more than 10,000 photos; 100 (that&#8217;s 1%) had sold more than 2,500; 1,100 (10%) had sold more than 200 and achieved payout level and 8,885 had sold fewer than needed for a pauout. So 90% had got nothing, only 1% had made more than $1,250 and fewer than 0.2% had made more than $5,000.</p>
<p>When I described this pattern on an iStock forum where earnings prospects were being discussed (saying it was from somewhere else &#8211; no name given &#8211; but iS probably had a similar distribution) my post was deleted with such alacrity that I could only presume that the shape of iStock&#8217;s graph was not just similar, but identical. In fact, the sample is so large that it is almost inevitable that it applies across the entire industry.</p>
<p>The long tail is, of course, extremely valuable to companies, because it represents earnings that they don&#8217;t have to pay any commission on for a very, very long time &#8211; and in many cases the commission may never be claimed at all. Who is getting the commission from all those submitters who have died without passing on their account details to their heirs? Their portfolios effectively become the private property of the sites that have them (apart from Shutterstock and one or two other honorable exceptions, that send off cheques at payout level without you having to put in a request).</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 00:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Cool Thanks Lee - I will also be putting my small portfolio on shutterstock now then!
Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Cool Thanks Lee &#8211; I will also be putting my small portfolio on shutterstock now then!<br />
Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Torrens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Torrens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 01:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Carl, thanks. 
No, I don&#039;t worry about that at all. They can&#039;t actually get it much cheaper at Shutterstock because they need to spend a lot of money for a subscription or buy &#039;on demand&#039; which pays a royalty higher than my iStock average anyway. It&#039;s true that I get a lower commission if they have a Shutterstock subscription, but in that case there&#039;s no benefit to them to search on iStock rather than on Shutterstock.  
I&#039;m sure there are some buyers who &#039;comparison shop&#039;, but I don&#039;t expect it&#039;s very many.  And from what I can see, there&#039;s no great threat to my royalty. 
-Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Carl, thanks.<br />
No, I don&#8217;t worry about that at all. They can&#8217;t actually get it much cheaper at Shutterstock because they need to spend a lot of money for a subscription or buy &#8216;on demand&#8217; which pays a royalty higher than my iStock average anyway. It&#8217;s true that I get a lower commission if they have a Shutterstock subscription, but in that case there&#8217;s no benefit to them to search on iStock rather than on Shutterstock.<br />
I&#8217;m sure there are some buyers who &#8216;comparison shop&#8217;, but I don&#8217;t expect it&#8217;s very many.  And from what I can see, there&#8217;s no great threat to my royalty.<br />
-Lee</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lee,
Great Site - very informative.
Because you are not exclusive, do you worry about some one finding your image on iStock and then searching for it on Shutterstock where it would be cheaper for them and less royalties for you?
Thanks
Carl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lee,<br />
Great Site &#8211; very informative.<br />
Because you are not exclusive, do you worry about some one finding your image on iStock and then searching for it on Shutterstock where it would be cheaper for them and less royalties for you?<br />
Thanks<br />
Carl</p>
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		<title>By: Don Farrall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Farrall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee,

Well put.  My experience in the traditional market place helped me to come to the same conclusions several years ago, in particular with specialized photos.  Without applying the &quot;Long Tail&quot; analysis it was clear to me that specialized photos sell to a small audience and therefore could not be supported by such small per sale revenue.  Furthermore, buyers with specialized needs are willing to pay more.  In general, rare subject matter images will sell fewer times.  A case in point...  Photograph a rare butterfly, and then photograph a monarch.  There will be more competition for monarch photos, but in the end the monarch photo will out perform the rare butterfly photo.  To earn as much, (or more) the rare butterfly photo should be sold for a higher price, i.e. in the traditional marketplace.  Microstock gives away these rare images, and they do not / will not reach their potential.  There is a &quot;dumbing down&quot; effect that happens when people only shoot what is common and expected.  Supporting the &quot;fringe&quot; images requires more than a few dollars in revenue.  Check out the collections of the &quot;stars&quot; and you will find  &quot;shoot for the middle&quot; totally obvious, (well executed, but predictable) collections.  The long tail images help out the agency by making the collection seem very diverse, but as you have concluded the benefit is biased to the agencies, not the contributors.

Don Farrall</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee,</p>
<p>Well put.  My experience in the traditional market place helped me to come to the same conclusions several years ago, in particular with specialized photos.  Without applying the &#8220;Long Tail&#8221; analysis it was clear to me that specialized photos sell to a small audience and therefore could not be supported by such small per sale revenue.  Furthermore, buyers with specialized needs are willing to pay more.  In general, rare subject matter images will sell fewer times.  A case in point&#8230;  Photograph a rare butterfly, and then photograph a monarch.  There will be more competition for monarch photos, but in the end the monarch photo will out perform the rare butterfly photo.  To earn as much, (or more) the rare butterfly photo should be sold for a higher price, i.e. in the traditional marketplace.  Microstock gives away these rare images, and they do not / will not reach their potential.  There is a &#8220;dumbing down&#8221; effect that happens when people only shoot what is common and expected.  Supporting the &#8220;fringe&#8221; images requires more than a few dollars in revenue.  Check out the collections of the &#8220;stars&#8221; and you will find  &#8220;shoot for the middle&#8221; totally obvious, (well executed, but predictable) collections.  The long tail images help out the agency by making the collection seem very diverse, but as you have concluded the benefit is biased to the agencies, not the contributors.</p>
<p>Don Farrall</p>
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		<title>By: tb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/ and sort by year and then go back one year and have a look what people sold in the year they have been online. It is hardly more than 1500 sales @ $1 a sale thats about 120 bucks a month. So if you want to crack the $500 bar you would have to be online about two years! And upload steady. Making a living out of stock seems to be pretty hard these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to <a href="http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/" rel="nofollow">http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/</a> and sort by year and then go back one year and have a look what people sold in the year they have been online. It is hardly more than 1500 sales @ $1 a sale thats about 120 bucks a month. So if you want to crack the $500 bar you would have to be online about two years! And upload steady. Making a living out of stock seems to be pretty hard these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Hodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article, Lee. Thanks.

Was thinking whilst reading that the &#039;long-tail&#039; niche subjects belong at a different price point, simply because they are bought by people that have a specific need them. Then you confirmed that obviously, at the end of the article. However, i can&#039;t see the earnings generated from these things as anything more than supplemental.

Nice plug for Tassie (mania), though. I think I split my chin open on the tesselated pavement, as a kid, on a family holiday on the south of the island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article, Lee. Thanks.</p>
<p>Was thinking whilst reading that the &#8216;long-tail&#8217; niche subjects belong at a different price point, simply because they are bought by people that have a specific need them. Then you confirmed that obviously, at the end of the article. However, i can&#8217;t see the earnings generated from these things as anything more than supplemental.</p>
<p>Nice plug for Tassie (mania), though. I think I split my chin open on the tesselated pavement, as a kid, on a family holiday on the south of the island.</p>
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		<title>By: John Richie</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great content Lee, as always.

I have suggested in my Squidoo lens on Microstock that you can (possibly) make good money from this endeavour. I stand by that, and the fact that many do, implies it is beyond debate. Obviously it&#039;s not guaranteed! 

For example I point out that one photographer is reported to have earned over $10,000 for a photo of his parents! (As repoted on ABC News) (proof supplied-try link above)

Yes a small number make the lions share, and most make only modest amounts. But this is the same with almost all human endeavour. The long tail principal applies to most business activity, as you point out. And the 80/20 principal is well understood. 20% of sales personel make 80% of the sales income in many companies, for instance. This is similar in most industries. That&#039;s not a reason for not trying a business activity, or to dismiss it.

Nevertheless, it&#039;s surely true that photographers that have significant talent, creativity and commitment may potentially make some decent income for their efforts, especially if they learn all they can and follow sites like yours.

However, it&#039;s obviously not a gold mine, and I mainly encourage people to do it for fun or as a profitable pastime, or part-time income idea, and only consider it as a serious business if results suggest it&#039;s worthwhile.

Also: All business is subject to supply and demand, we must live with it, or do something else. You have suggested your sales are fairly consistant, despite the huge growth in contributions, and this may be because the number of buyers is growing fast aswell, as more and more people/businesses go online, or discover Microstock. 

Cheers, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great content Lee, as always.</p>
<p>I have suggested in my Squidoo lens on Microstock that you can (possibly) make good money from this endeavour. I stand by that, and the fact that many do, implies it is beyond debate. Obviously it&#8217;s not guaranteed! </p>
<p>For example I point out that one photographer is reported to have earned over $10,000 for a photo of his parents! (As repoted on ABC News) (proof supplied-try link above)</p>
<p>Yes a small number make the lions share, and most make only modest amounts. But this is the same with almost all human endeavour. The long tail principal applies to most business activity, as you point out. And the 80/20 principal is well understood. 20% of sales personel make 80% of the sales income in many companies, for instance. This is similar in most industries. That&#8217;s not a reason for not trying a business activity, or to dismiss it.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, it&#8217;s surely true that photographers that have significant talent, creativity and commitment may potentially make some decent income for their efforts, especially if they learn all they can and follow sites like yours.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s obviously not a gold mine, and I mainly encourage people to do it for fun or as a profitable pastime, or part-time income idea, and only consider it as a serious business if results suggest it&#8217;s worthwhile.</p>
<p>Also: All business is subject to supply and demand, we must live with it, or do something else. You have suggested your sales are fairly consistant, despite the huge growth in contributions, and this may be because the number of buyers is growing fast aswell, as more and more people/businesses go online, or discover Microstock. </p>
<p>Cheers, John.</p>
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		<title>By: Microstock Graphics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Microstock Graphics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The long tail or 80/20 phenomenon is some kind of a natural law. It&#039;s a direct result of the statistcal distribution patterns that govern selection processes. Buyers can select the best out of a sh*tload of pictures, and clearly not all are of the same quality. So some pictures will be selected over and over again while others collect virtual dust.

But this holds true also for the artist&#039;s side. Nobody is always in the best possible shape, so some pictures will neccessarily be weaker than others. 

You might be able to soften the curve by choosing the right niche, but I am convinced that you can never really &quot;beat&quot; the long tail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The long tail or 80/20 phenomenon is some kind of a natural law. It&#8217;s a direct result of the statistcal distribution patterns that govern selection processes. Buyers can select the best out of a sh*tload of pictures, and clearly not all are of the same quality. So some pictures will be selected over and over again while others collect virtual dust.</p>
<p>But this holds true also for the artist&#8217;s side. Nobody is always in the best possible shape, so some pictures will neccessarily be weaker than others. </p>
<p>You might be able to soften the curve by choosing the right niche, but I am convinced that you can never really &#8220;beat&#8221; the long tail.</p>
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